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AustinQ, I feel like a total plonker!! Totally forgot about my grandmother's brother (not hard to forget mind, I didn't know she had a brother until recently!) Yes, I'm sorry, there was another child!

Shirley, yes my dad does have the marriage certificate for his parents. He is definitely down as John Bertram Walker :)

I don't have much time tonight,but have you found Kathlyn or her parents on the 1939 register? the 1939 register gives exact dates of birth which helps track births (and deaths).

Sometimes you have to come forward to work back.

I don't have access to view this record......


Detroit Border Crossings and Passenger and Crew Lists, 1905-1963
Immigration & Travel
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Name: Ronald Bertram Walker
Birth: year - location
Arrival: date - Detroit, Michigan, USA

I have been looking for all of them on the 1939 register but not finding them
Only one possible for the brother but he isn't with family

Ronald Bertram Walker
Birth Date: 15 Dec 1911
Date of Registration: Apr 1984
Age at Death: 72
Registration district: Surrey South-eastern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 17
Page: 961

Would tie with a Dec birth reg in the first quarter of the next year

VIEW England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
Name: Ronald Bertram Walker
Death Date: 31 Mar 1984
Death Place: Reigate Sy
Probate Date: 14 Jun 1984
Registry: London

No probate person named

Ronald Bertram Walker
in the Detroit Border Crossings and Passenger and Crew Lists, 1905-1963
Name: Ronald Bertram Walker
Gender: Male
Age: 29
Birth Date: abt 1912
Birth Place: Ilford, England
Arrival Date: 23 Jul 1941
Arrival Place: Detroit, Michigan, USA
Nearest relative Mrs B Walker 5 Uplands Road ,Sutton ,surrey

Occ air training.going to naval training station .peniacola florida

Ronald B Walker on the 1939 Register

Woodruff Household (3 People) 3 Sussex Road , Carshalton U.D., Surrey, England

Ronald B Walker 15 Dec 1911 Male Assistant Departmental & Manager Insurance Single 209 3
Frank H Woodruff 16 Apr 1872 Male Chief Clerk To Watchmakers Tools & Materials Dealer Married 209 1
Charlotte Woodruff 26 Feb 1875 Female Household Duties Married 209 2

Ronald Bertram Walker
Year: 1938
Parliamentary Division: Carshalton, Surrey, England
Reference Number: 047
3 Sussex Road with the Woodruff 's

Here is John Bertie Green in 1891.


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Paignton Road, Tottenham, Edmonton, Middlesex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Elizabeth Green Head Widow Female 56 1835 Ladies Nurse Windsor, Buckinghamshire, England
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Catherine J Green Daughter Single Female 30 1861 Dressmaker Southsea, Hampshire, England
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John Bertie Green Grandson Single Male 8 1883 - Stamford Hill, Middlesex, England

AustinQ, I've also looked on the 1939 register and found none of them. Thank yo for help so far

Prickly Holly and Shirley - That definitely appears to be my great-uncle, although we don't know about any travel to the USA. We do know that he married a lady called Beryl, had a daughter named Prudence and possibly (?) two twin boys and they were definitely in the UK. That's all on that front.
Thank you both for your help :)

Marriages Dec 1939 (>99%)
Head Beryl M J Walker Surrey Mid.E. 2a 1215
Walker Ronald B Head Surrey Mid.E. 2a 1215


Births Mar 1919 (>99%)
Head Beryl M J Gidner Croydon 2a 417

Beryl Margaret J Walker in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Beryl Margaret J Walker
Birth Date: 3 Mar 1919
Date of Registration: Jun 2000
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: east Surrey
Inferred County: Surrey
Register Number: ESE1
District and Subdistrict: 7551E
Entry Number: 44

Prudence Walker in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2005
Name: Prudence Walker
Mother's Maiden Surname: Head
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1954
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume Number: 5g
Page Number: 181


The twins.......

Nicholas Walker in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2005
Name: Nicholas Walker
Mother's Maiden Surname: Head
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1960
Registration district: Surrey South Eastern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume Number: 5g
Page Number: 1025


Robert Walker in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2005
Name: Robert Walker
Mother's Maiden Surname: Head
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1960
Registration district: Surrey South Eastern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume Number: 5g
Page Number: 1025

Apologies if this has already been posted, but re the John Bertie Green born 1882 to Catherine Green, as posted by Maryb, this is his baptism.

Births Dec 1882 Green John Bertie Edmonton 3a 308

Baptism

Name: John Berta Green<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 3 Jun 1883
Father's name: John Green<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's name: Kate Green<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Parish or Poor Law Union: Tottenham St Ann
Borough: Haringey
Register Type: Parish Registers

Image has his second name as Bertee, not Berta.
Birthdate 19th Nov 1882<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Address 3 Charles St.
Father's occupation, builder.

So was the father made up?

EDIT: if the father was made up to save face, he doesn't seem to have been based on Catherine/Kate's father, John William Green, as he was a domestic servant on his marriage to Elizabeth Rathbone in 1860. So is 'John Green, builder', possibly a John Walker, Builder?

John Bertram and May were living at 58 Larbert Road upto 1932- I don't see them after this.

County or Borough: Wandsworth
Ward or Division/Constituency: Putney, Streatham and Central
Street address: 58 Larbert Road
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This is Kathlyn on the 1939 register, with first husband Francis Ambrose Andrews (Name is Kathlyn on original):

Andrews Household 65 Wills Crescent , Twickenham M.B., Middlesex, England
Frances A Andrews 22 Nov 1903 Male Electrician Married
Kathryn M Andrews 11 Jan 1915 Female Unpaid Domestic Married
Closed Record

Both Francis and Kathlyn wer still at this address on the electoral registers in 1947.

Looking at the birth indexes it is possible that Christine wasn't their only child.

Kathlyn was in SA by 1949 as this is when she and Francis were divorced (from SA National Archives):

DESCRIPTION ILLIQUID CASE DIVORCE FRANCIS AMBROSE ANDREWS VERSUS KATHLYN MAY (BORN WALKER).
STARTING 1949
ENDING 1949
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Kathlyn died 1996 Kent UK

I suspect that John Bertram married again. He is with May in Putney until 1932 on the electoral registers.

Kathlyn marries in 1936 BROMLEY Kent- so perhaps the family were now living there?

Based on this, there is this possible death for May:
First name(s) MAY
Last name WALKER
Gender Female
Birth year 1883
Age 50
Death quarter 2
Death year 1933
District Bromley
County Kent
Volume 2A Page 630

and this possible marriage for John a year later:

Marriages Sep 1934
Marshall Florence M Walker Bromley 2a 2213
Walker John B Marshall Bromley 2a 2213
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If it is our John (and I suspect it is), this is him in 1939:

Marshall Household La Casita W Pleasent , Orpington U.D., Kent, England
Sydney (R) Marshall 25 Apr 1876 Male Painting Manager & B??? Married
Sydney Richardson (Ronald) Marshall 15 Jan 1905 Male Incapacitated (Mental) Single
Marguerite Ede (Marshall) 25 Apr 1913 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single
John B Walker 17 Nov 1882 Male Technical Assistant (Mis? Supply) Married
Florence M Anderson (Walker) 30 Apr 1908 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married

(Florence has both Donaldson and Anderson surnames added later)

Florence married 1957 Surrey

Florence Mildred Marshall parents Sydney Richardson Marshall born Cumberland 1877 died Cheshire 1950 and louisa Smithgoode 1879.

Probate 1951 to Florence Mildred Walker wife of John Bertram Walker £2775.7.5d.

Florence Mildred Marshall 1908 Lewisham.1d 1039

Maryb.

Nicely found Mary- so definitely him :-D

So much information!! I can't tell you how grateful I am that you've done this for me. I'm going to have to talk to my dad to get more information - when did his grandparents die etc. I am positive there were no other children besides Christine unless there and they didn't survive?
It's all very, very interesting!
I shall get back to you once I get more details.

Thank you again!

Oh- and just one more thing!

The baptism of John B Green that Kucinta posted- the actual birth date is November 17 1882 (not the 19th as was posted)- which matches the details for John Bertram Walker on the 1939 register.

Name: John Bertee Green
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 3 Jun 1883
Born: 17th November 1882 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Father's name: John Green
Mother's name: Kate
Abode: 3 Charley Street
Parish or Poor Law Union: Tottenham St Ann
Borough: Haringey
Register Type: Parish Registers

Oops, sorry about the wrong birth date on the baptism, I'll blame it on my epiretinal membranes :-(

But thanks for spotting & correcting it AustinQ.