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Cheeky question - can anyone access the Westminster Banns and check for Joseph Ablett please?

I'm searching (endlessly) for a marriage, and there's a record of a Bann for St Clement Danes, Middlesex, England on findmypast.co.uk but I can't access it (and funds aren't allowing subscription right now).

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help x

This one ???

Joseph
Last name Ablett
Banns year -
Banns date 12 Dec 1819
Marriage year -
Residence Saint Clement Danes
Spouse's first name(s) Jemima
Spouse's last name Johnson
Spouse's residence Saint Clement Danes
Parish St Clement Danes
County Middlesex
Country England
Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre
Page 50
Record set Westminster Banns
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
Westminster Archives

Thanks Shirley - look s like the one and means I can rule this marriage out of the mystery. Let the search continue!

The marriage was the following year:-

First name(s) Joseph
Last name Ablett
Residence Saint Clement Danes
Marriage year 1820
Parish St Clement Danes
Spouse's first name(s) Jemima
Spouse's last name Johnson
Spouse residence Saint Clement Danes
County Middlesex
Country England
Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre
Record set Westminster Marriages

There is also a marriage in Fressingfield, Suffolk for a marriage between Joseph Ablett, widower, and Susanna Mickeburgh on 5th August, 1828.

Kath. x

Have you found Joseph on any census with his wife? Do you know her first name?

Kath. x

There is also this marriage (if Joseph was known by his middle name):-

First name(s) John Joseph
Last name Ablett
Residence otp
Marriage year 1820
Marriage date 04 Apr 1820
Marriage place Lambeth St Mary
By licence or banns By Banns
Spouse's first name(s) Charlotte
Spouse's last name Grapes
Spouse's residence otp
Source Parish Register Transcripts
County Surrey
Country England
Record set Surrey Marriages

Kath. x

Hi Kathleen

Unfortunately, my Joseph Ablett wasn't born until c1846. His married / widowed status on the census has eluded us all for 4-5 years now. I'm trying to close as many doors as possible. Hence my question.

Thanks for looking though x

Which census have you found him?

Andy

Was he a schoolteacher? If so he is on the 1901 census in Battersea. There is this marriage in Clapham which is very close:-

First name(s) Joseph
Last name Ablett
Name note -
Marriage year 1867
Marriage date 16 Dec 1867
Marriage place Clapham
Spouse's first name(s) Frances
Spouse's last name Chisholm
County Surrey
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973

Kath. x

Joseph Pedley Ablett was born in St Ives (Cambridgeshire) in 1846. He moved between the University of London and Christ's College Cambridge in the late 1860s / early 1870s. We have him on all Census records, bar 1861. He appears later with two children (Frederick and Sidney - who we have full details about). However, we do not have a marriage (although we think the children were born to Frederica Thomas who appears on the 1901 Census as a visitor).

Helen x

Thanks Kath - I'll have a look into the marriage :)

All leads very much welcomed x

Have you got the birth certificates for the two children? Did they have Thomas or Ablett as a surname?

Kath. x

Not yet ordered the birth certs - found Sidney and Frederick on GRO yesterday.

Sidney Joseph Ablett Thomas b 1882
Frederick Henry Ablett Thomas b1889

Awaiting pay day ... it can't come soon enough!!

H x

The births would seem to suggest that the parents were NOT married. Sidney Joseph Ablett are forenames and the surname is Thomas. Illegitimate children were often given their father's surname as a middle name and no mother's maiden name appears on the GRO birth which also indicates an illegitimate birth.

Sidney born in Thanet, Kent and Frederick born Greenwich.

Kath. x

I agree. The mystery of Joseph Pedley Ablett lies in the Census data from 1881 (unmarried), 1891 (married) an 1901 (widowed).

Was it common to lie on a census? Or was this an actual marriage?

H x

People lied quite a lot. You can't believe everything you find on any record. However he could possibly have been married to someone else and so wasn't free to marry the mother of the children. People often said they were widowed when really they had just split up with their partner because divorce was extremely expensive and difficult to get for the ordinary person.

Kath. x

There is this possible marriage:-

First name(s) JOSEPH
Last name ABLETT
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1890
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ JOSEPH ABLETT married one of these people
Fanny Christmas, Elizabeth Darley
District North Witchford
District number -
County Cambridgeshire
Country England
Volume 3B
Page 1061
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

Kath. x

Thanks Kath - I'll continue the search for a marriage (and keep everything crossed) x

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Joseph P
England and Wales Census, 1861
Name Joseph P
County Huntingdonshire
Event Type Census
Event Date 1861
Event Place St Ives, Huntingdonshire, England
Registration District St Ives
Residence Note Kiddles Row
Gender Male
Age 14
Occupation Pupil Teacher
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1847
Birthplace St Ives, Huntingdonshire
Page Number 32
Registration Number RG09
Piece/Folio 979 / 85
Affiliate Record Type Household
Household

Role

Sex

Age

Birthplace
Elizabeth Wife F 49 Hilton, Huntingdonshire
Sarah A Daughter F 16 St Ives, Huntingdonshire
Joseph P Son M 14 St Ives, Huntingdonshire

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Kiddles Row, St Ives, Huntingdonshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
- - - - Unknown - - Absent -
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Elizabeth - Wife Married Female 49 1812 Shoebinder Hilton, Huntingdonshire, England
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Sarah A - Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 Shoebinder St Ives, Huntingdonshire, England
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Joseph P - Son - Male 14 1847 Pupil Teacher St Ives, Huntingdonshire, England