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Could someone please help me try and find a marriage for the parents of this child

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Mar 1905 (>99%)
Coleman Michael Alfred Paddington 1a 57

From the GRO mmn is Clancey

The lady I am trying to help has a photograph (not a very clear one) of the birth certificate which does not include parents names. I couldn't make out the date of birth but can confirm his name,1905 and Paddington.

I believe that on Michael's marriage certificate (I don't know what year he married or to whom) his father was named as William Ernest.

On searching the 1911 census, this is the only Michael I can find whose age and area fits the above birth.

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
85 Cirencester Street Paddington W, Paddington, London, England


Michael Henry Coleman Head Married Male House Painter 32 1879 St Georges Paris (on the image it's Parish)
Ancesta Coleman Wife Married Female - 31 1880 London
Michael Coleman Son - Male - 6 1905 London

Unfortunately father's name is different. Mum's name transcribed as Ancesta on FMP and Anusta on Ancestry, I think the 'u' on Ancestry transcription looks more like the n on Coleman.

I am struggling to find a marriage and was hoping I might find a baptism with them living in London but no luck there either. It states married 7 years on the 1911 census.

I then wondered if the father in the 1911 census has died young and mum re-married meaning the name on the sons marriage certificate was step dads first names. I found this which I thought was a good possibility due to his age and it being the right area

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Sep 1915 (>99%)
Coleman Michael H 36 Paddington 1a 52

but I cannot find a re-marriage as I cannot make out what her actual first name is. Her place of birth is given as London but there's a question mark around whether one or both of young Michael's parents came from Ireland.

As well as Michael Alfred Coleman having mother's maiden name Clancey there are two other births
George Edward who was registered Dec quarter 1908 - looks like his death was registered Mar quarter 1910. This ties in with the family I found in the 1911 census.. They'd had 2 children 1 still living 1 had died. Another son, also named George Edward was registered in Sept quarter 1911 and I'm sure the lady mentioned a brother George.

Hoping someone can help.

Chrissie

This looks to be the marriage of the 1911 couple

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%)
COLEMAN Michael Henry Marylebone 1a 1163
MARSH Marie Winniefrede E Marylebone 1a 1163
MCWATERS Amelia C Marylebone 1a 1163
Sansom Frederick Samuel Marylebone 1a 1163

It sounds as though the birth certificate is the "short'" version, perhaps the lady you're helping could send for the full certificate

Thank you for your reply, I think she may have to but I was hoping to find the marriage for her.

Chrissie

Just in case it has any bearing in the end -

Name: Michael Henry Coleman
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Age: 25
Spouse: Amelia Catherine Mc Waters
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1903
Parish: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: Frederick John Coleman
Spouse Father: Stewart Mc Waters
Register Type: Parish Register

Michael is an omnibus Driver resident at 1 Kendall's Mews and his Father is a Tailor. She lived at 26 Walmer Place and her Father is a horsekeeper
Witnesses A Clark and W McWaters

Thank you greyghost.

? Amelia with parents

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, Homer Street, St Marylebone, Marylebone, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Stuart McWaters Head Married Male 30 1851 Cab Driver London, Middlesex, England
Amelia McWaters Wife Married Female 29 1852 - London, Middlesex, England
William C McWaters Son Single Male 3 1878 - London, Middlesex, England
Amelia McWaters Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - London, Middlesex, England
John Bishops Lodger Single Male 25 1856 Builders Carman Middlesex, England

and their marriage
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1876 (>99%)
McWATERS Stuart Marylebone 1a 1052
Morris John Pugh Marylebone 1a 1052
PADWICK Eliza Marylebone 1a 1052
THURKETTLE Amelia Marylebone 1a 1052

Definitely not who I'm looking for then as mmn isn't Clancey.

Chrissie

?

COLEMAN, DANIEL CLANCEY Order
GRO Reference: 1915 D Quarter in ST. MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 841

COLEMAN, GEORGE EDWARD CLANCEY Order
GRO Reference: 1908 D Quarter in ST MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 473
( Death COLEMAN, GEORGE EDWARD 17 months Order)

GRO Reference: 1910 M Quarter in ST MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 357

COLEMAN, GEORGE EDWARD CLANCEY Order
GRO Reference: 1911 S Quarter in ST. MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 895


Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
COLEMAN, EILEEN FRANCES EVA CLANCEY Order
GRO Reference: 1913 S Quarter in ST. MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 998

COLEMAN, ROSE EVELINE CLANCEY Order
GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in ST MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 512

COLEMAN, WINIFRED CLANCEY Order
GRO Reference: 1907 M Quarter in ST.MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 537

Maybe if Michael Alfred is known by middle name?

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
27 Bowman Buildings Edgware Road N W, St Marylebone, London, England


William Coleman Head Married Male Nickel Polisher Clipper Factory 34 1877 London Marylebone
Margaret Coleman Wife Married Female - 32 1879 London Marylebone
Matilda Coleman Daughter - Female School 12 1899 London Marylebone Transcription
Margaret Coleman Daughter - Female School 11 1900 London Paddington Transcription
Jessie Coleman Daughter - Female - 9 1902 London Paddington Transcription
William Coleman Son - Male - 8 1903 London Paddington Transcription
Alfred Coleman Son - Male - 6 1905 London Paddington <<<<<<<<
Winfred Coleman Daughter - Female - 4 1907 Londno Marylebone
Rosie Coleman Daughter - Female - 0 1911 London Marylebone

married 13 years

Interesting Nyx, thank you.

oldest daughters to that couple


Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
COLEMAN, MARGARET MAY CLANCEY Order
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in PADDINGTON Volume 01A Page 31
COLEMAN, MATILDA CLANCEY Order
GRO Reference: 1898 D Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 524

You may be on to something there Nyx, thank you.

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, Cambridge Place, Willesden, Hendon, Middlesex, England





William Coleman Head Married Male 24 1877 Electric Plater & Polisher Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Margaret Coleman Wife Married Female 22 1879 - Ireland
Matilda Coleman Daughter - Female 2 1899 - Marylebone, Middlesex, England Transcription
Margaret M Coleman Daughter - Female 0 1901 - Paddington, Middlesex, England Transcription

Thank you Nyx.

Just found Williams birth in 1903 on GRO, he was William Daniel. I wonder if they did marry.

Chris

I missed that Michael gave father's name as William Ernest on his marriage so might be this one

COLEMAN, WILLIAM ERNEST PRIGG Order
GRO Reference: 1877 M Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 642

Thanks for that.

I was checking the 1891 census records for a female with surname Clancey born 1879 and came across this


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Albert Embankment, Lambeth, London, England


Francis Clancey Head Married Male 42 1849 Tailor Surrey, England
Julia Clancey Wife Married Female 38 1853 Tailoress Cork, Cork, Ireland
Henry Clancey Son Single Male 6 1885 - Cork, Cork, Ireland
Ellen Clancey Niece Single Female 12 1879 - Cork, Cork, Ireland

As far as I'm aware the name Ellen is not a nickname for Margaret but I noticed the Cork Ireland place of birth and they lady I'm trying to help mentioned the family talk about they may have been from Ireland.

Chrissie

could they have married in Ireland was William ernest in the army

William Ernest Coleman
England and Wales Birth Registration Index
Name
William Ernest Coleman
Event Type
Birth Registration
Registration Quarter
Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year
1877
Registration District
Marylebone
County
London
Event Place
Marylebone, London, England
Volume
1A
Page
642
Line Number
241

the Jessie coleman in 1911 census mothers name misspelt

COLEMAN, JESSIE  ANNIE  
CLAMPSEY  

GRO Reference: 1901  D Quarter in PADDINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 55

Thank you malyon I hadn't realised we hadn't found that birth.

I'm beginning to think they married in Ireland. Are Irish records online?