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looking for relitives of my Dad Alfred Edwin Thomas his family came from Wales

Born when please? Parents' names? Where in Wales please?

edited as not the one

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So, this is your family in 1939 please?

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Thomas Household (8 People)
262 Shirehall Road , Sheffield C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Dorothy M Thomas
DOB 02 Sep 1911
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Duties
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 170
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2

Alfred Thomas
DOB 31 Aug 1903
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Crane Driver Heavy Work
MARITAL STATUS Widowed. <<<<<<<<< married on image
SCHEDULE 170
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1

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Alfred E Thomas
DOB 06 Jan 1932
SEX Male
OCCUPATION At School
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 170
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 4

Gordon R Thomas
DOB 09 Jan 1933
SEX Male
OCCUPATION At School
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 170
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 5

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Alfred E Thomas
DOB 06 May 1932
SEX Male
OCCUPATION At School
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 170
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 4

The Record for Alfred E born 6 Jan 1932 has a red line through it and a note to see another page. The record for Alfred E born 06 May 1932 doesn't appear on the image with the other members of the household.

Your Alfred E appears to have three other siblings as well as brother Gordon.

What information are you looking for please?

The marriage certificate for Alfred and Dorothy will name Alfred's father.

First name(s) ALFRED EDWIN
Last name THOMAS
Gender Male
Birth day 6
Birth month 1
Birth year 1932
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1993
District Sheffield
District number 0481C
Register number C55A
Entry number 269
Date of registration mm/yy 0593

The birthplace should be noted on the death cert - but that is only as accurate as the info known by the person registering the death


Births Mar 1932 (>99%)
Thomas Alfred E Smith York 9d 4

Marriages Jun 1948 (>99%)

Roe Frederick Thomas Sheffield 2d 559
Roe Frederick Smith Sheffield 2d 559 S
Smith Dorothy M Roe Sheffield 2d 559
Thomas Dorothy M Roe Sheffield 2d 559

No connection with Wales showing up so far

The person who registered this might be related

First name(s) GORDON RICHARD
Last name THOMAS
Gender Male
Birth day 9
Birth month 1
Birth year 1933
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1995
District Lincoln
District number 6191C
Register number C48C
Entry number 090
Date of registration mm/yy 0795
County Lincolnshire

Could this be Alfred Edwin's father in 1911?

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
136 Edward St Sheffield, Sheffield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Alfred Thomas Head Married Male 35 1876 United State of America Street Labours Transcription
Mary Elizabeth Thomas Wife Married Female 36 1875 Derby Shire Chesterfield - Transcription
Alfred Thomas Son - Male 7 1904 Yorkshire Sheffield School Transcription
George Thomas Son - Male 5 1906 Yorkshire Sheffield School Transcription
Charles Thomas Son - Male 0 1911 Yorkshire Sheffield

Looking at the GRO index the mother's maiden name for the children on that 1911 census seems to be Rothwell although Alfred was born in Derbyshire not Yorkshire. On the census Mary states married 12 years, 7 children born, 3 living and 4 had died.

Not seeing Alfred and Mary on the 1901 census or a marriage for them.

From the info above............this birth fits

Births Mar 1876 (>99%)
ROTHWELL Mary Elizabeth Chesterfield 7b 690

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
5, Lings Row, North Wingfield, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Joseph Rothwell Head Married Male 39 1842 Staffordshire, England Colliery Engine Driver Transcription
Mary Rothwell Wife Married Female 39 1842 Burslem, Staffordshire, England Colliery Wife Transcription
James Rothwell Son Single Male 11 1870 Whittington, Derbyshire, England Scholar Transcription
Cecily Rothwell Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Burslem, Staffordshire, England Scholar Transcription
Mary Elizabeth Rothwell Daughter Single Female 5 1876 North Wingfield, Derbyshire, England Scholar Transcription
Joseph Rothwell Son Single Male 3 1878 North Wingfield, Derbyshire, England Infant

Yes, I think that's her. She's lodging in 1891 but no sign of her and Alfred in 1901. No sign of their marriage either!

my dad alfred edwin was born in york on army barracks i think Stencal barracks his parents were Alfred and Dorehey Thomas and he did have 3 other brothers all 4 was put into fulwood cottage homes my dad was 8 his brothers i am not surre of there age but his younger brother Graqham was only a baby i believe dont know to much of his other brothers Gordon who lived in Grimsby up to hid death not sure when that was and brian lived in Cleethorpes never met him there was 2 sisters Laura and June who i have never met i believe Laura is still living in Grimsby. my dad Alfred died in 1993 at the age of 62

Have a good look at all the info which has been posted for you and see what you make of it. Then let us know what you think

But you will need to get a copy of the marriage certificate for Alfred and Dorothy to be certain what his father's details were.

You mentioned the family coming from Wales, but there's nothing to support that theory on the records found so far.

This looks like your grandfather's baptism. Day of the month slightly different from the 1939 register but I think it is the same Alfred Thomas.

Looking at the parents' names it also ties in with the 1911 census posted by ErikH.


First name(s) Alfred
Last name Thomas
Birth year 1903
Birth date 21 Aug 1903
Baptism year 1903
Baptism date 11 Sep 1903
Baptism place Sheffield, Cathedral Church of St Peter & St Paul
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Alfred
Mother's first name(s) Mary Elizabeth
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Archive Sheffield Archives & Local Studies
Archive reference PR-138-2-57
Page 108
Record set Yorkshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain
Transcription © Findmypast



On the 1911 census Alfred Senior gives his birth place as America.. Perhaps it's his parents who came from Glamorgan?

Hi have read all of your threads and they ll ti in with some of what i hve i was led to belive that my grandfather was from Wales this is why i am not getting anywhre with this because that is where i have been looking so i neeed to start again because i hve been going down th wrong path i would likee to thank everyone for all your help now i can start looking again and forget Wales I hope you can find more things out to help me.

Ihave my dads birth certificate he was born on 06/01/1932 his dad was called Alfred thomas and his mum Dorethey Mary his dad was lance corpral with the 2nd batt west yorkshire regiment and they were based at Stensall camp in york where my father was born I also have my grandparents marriage certificate they were married on the twelth of July 1930 his fathr is down hs Alfred Thomas a Miner my grandmothers father was Edwin Smih who was a porterthats all it says

Crazy, unfortunately you have marked this as answered so helpers will think you don't need anymore help. Perhaps you could edit your heading to something like "still looking".

We could do with someone who has access to the incoming passenger lists on Ancestry to find Alfred b.1875/6 coming to England from America. It may help to know when he came and if he was travelling with family members.

The 1911 census says Alfred is a British subject by parentage.