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Can some kind person please see if they can find Peter Orme on the 1871 and 1891 census?

I have him on the 41/51/61/81/01 and 1911 but those two decades are missing. I also have his baptism, his marriage to Jane Byers and a possible 2nd marriage to Ann Barton Birchall.

Peter Orme - born 1840 Newton, son of George and Sarah Orme

1841
Name Peter Orm
Age 1
Estimated Birth Year abt 1840
Gender Male
Where born Lancashire, England
Civil parish Winwick
Hundred West Derby
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Warrington
Sub-registration district Newton
Piece 524
Book 14
Folio 11
Page number 14
Household Members
Name Age
George Orm 25
Sarah Orm 20
Peter Orm 1


1851

Name Peter Oline
Age 10
Estimated Birth Year abt 1841
Relation Son
Father's Name George Oline
Mother's Name Sarah Oline
Gender Male
Where born Newton, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Aspull
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Wigan
Sub-registration district Standish
ED, institution, or vessel 3b
Household schedule number 29
Piece 2198
Folio 366
Page number 8
Household Members
Name Age
George Oline 37
Sarah Oline 32
Peter Oline 10
Mary Oline 8
Betty Oline 5
Thomas Oline 2
John Ball 17

1861
Name Peter Orme
Age 20
Estimated Birth Year 1841
Relation Son
Father's Name George Orme
Mother's Name Sarah Orme
Gender Male
Where born Newton, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish St Catherine
Town Wigan
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Wigan
Sub-registration district Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel 7
Household schedule number 109
Piece 2772
Folio 36
Page number 19
Household Members
Name Age
George Orme
Sarah Orme
Peter Orme
Mary Orme
Betty Orme
Thomas Orme
Jane Orme
William Orme
Alice Orme
Thomas Lea
Eliza Jane Lea

Thank you. x

????? there is this one but with sister lucy so maybe not
1891
Mount Park Crescent, Twyford Abbey Ealing, Brentford, Middlesex, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Peter Orme Head Single Male 51 1840 Lancashire, England Agent In London
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Lucy Orme Sister Single Female 35 1856 Lancashire, England -
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Annie E Donnelly Servant Single Female 23 1868 Lancashire, England Domestic Servant

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1891
Name Peter Orme
Gender Male
Age 46
Relationship Head
Birth Year 1845
Birth Place Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Wigan
Residence Place Wigan, Lancashire, England
Sub registration district Wigan
ED, Institution or Vessel 39
Piece 3055
Folio 22
Household Members
Name Age
Peter Orme
Denis Halliday
Ann J Halliday
Jane Halliday
John Johnson

1871
Name Peter Horme
Age 31
Estimated Birth Year abt 1840
Relation Boarder
Gender Male
Where born Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish St Thomas
Town Wigan
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Wigan
Sub-registration district Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel 28
Household schedule number 104
Piece 3887
Folio 158
Page number 15
Household Members
Name Age
Catherine Carbury 47
Peter Horme 31

a coalminer ???

Thanks Maddie. Don't think its the one with the sister Lucy but I do think there is a possibility with the other 2.

I think he remarries in 1873 but I cannot find a death for his first wife. His second? wife was a Johnson by marriage which makes me wonder about the John Johnson in the 1891 census.

No idea about Catherine Carbury in the 1871 but I wonder if he left his wife?

Hope this makes sense.

1891 from fmp


Denis Halliday Son In Law Married Male 20 1871 Lancashire, England Coal Miner
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Ann J Halliday Stepdaughter Married Female 24 1867 Aspull, Lancashire, England Cotton Spinner
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Jane Halliday Granddaughter - Female 0 1891 Lancashire, England -
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John Johnson Stepson Single Male 22 1869 Lancashire, England Coal Miner
Rylance Row, Wigan, Lancashire, England

he was only lodging with catherine carbury
image says unmarried, a coalminer

Baptism: 18 May 1831 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Ann Barton Birchall - Daur. of Elizabeth Birchall
Abode: Hallate
Baptised by: J. Bromilow
Register: Baptisms 1830 - 1833, Page 72, Entry 569
Source: LDS Film 1885678

In 1911, he gives info normally given by a wife.

Married 50 years, 4 children, only one alive

Fof INFO only

Name: Peter Orme
Gender: Male
Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1841
Marriage Date: 16 Jan 1865
Marriage Place: Wigan, St Catherine, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Wigan

Father: George Orme
Spouse: Jane Byers

Baptism: 10 Apr 1865 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
John Thomas Orme - [Child] of Peter Orme & Jane
Born: 27 Mar
Abode: Ince
Occupation: Collier
Notes: [Surname originally recorded as 'Hall' but deleted & corrected]
Baptised by: A. H. Webb Curate
Register: Baptisms 1865 - 1868, Page 19, Entry 151
Source: LDS Film 1885683


Baptism: 5 Jul 1868 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Betty Orme - [Child] of Peter Orme & Jane
Born: 15 ? 1867
Abode: Platt Lane
Occupation: Collier
Notes: [Month of birth not recorded]
Baptised by: A. H. Hodd, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1865 - 1868, Page 377, Entry 3010
Source: LDS Film 1885683

Baptism: 5 Jul 1868 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
John Thomas Orme - [Child] of Peter Orme & Jane
Born: 27 Mar 1865
Abode: Platt Lane
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: A. H. Hodd, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1865 - 1868, Page 377, Entry 3009
Source: LDS Film 1885683

Thank you both. Yes I think that is his first marriage to Jane Byers but I don't know what happens to her...........

He seems to get around a bit!! :-D

Can't see them in Platt Lane, Wigan in 1871

I wonder why the son was baptised twice? He was born after they married - just!

??

Marriages Dec 1871 (>99%)
Orme Jane Wigan 8c 23
Sudworth Abraham Wigan 8c 23

Name: Jane Orme
Gender: Female
Age: 26
Birth Year: abt 1845
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Dec 1871
Parish: Douglas in Parbold, Lancashire, England
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Spouse: Abraham Sudworth
Spouse Age: 28
Spouse Father: Wm Sudworth
Register Type: Parish Register

Jane claims to be a widow, and does not name a father



1881
Name: Abraham Sodsworth
[Abraham Sudworth]
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Jane Sodsworth
Gender: Male
Where born: Aston Le Willows, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Kippax
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: Moore Gate
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Coal Miner
Registration district: Tadcaster
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4711
Folio: 77
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Abraham Sodsworth 37
Jane Sodsworth 36
Betsey Holme 14****************Stepdaughter
William Sodsworth 8
Hannah Sodsworth 4
Robert Sodsworth 2

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!

SUDWORTH, ROBERT BYERS Order
GRO Reference: 1878 S Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 152

Well blow me down! Thank you so much ErikaH.

I guess that Peter and Jane parted company at some stage. Their son John Thomas was with the grandparents in 1871.

Wonder if the 2nd baptism of the son was to do with claiming parish relief?


I rather think the name Sodsworth suits the whole bunch :-D

Thank you again. x

Name: Robert Sudworth
Baptism Date: 15 May 1881
Baptism Place: Kippax, St Mary, Yorkshire, England
Parish: Kippax, St Mary
Father: Abraham Sudworth
Mother: Jane Sudworth

Name: Anna Sudworth
Baptism Date: 15 May 1881
Baptism Place: Kippax, St Mary, Yorkshire, England
Parish: Kippax, St Mary
Father: Abraham Sudworth
Mother: Jane Sudworth




Jane's death
Name: Jane Sudworth
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Registration Year: 1890
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 46
Registration district: Barnsley
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 134

????

age out a bit
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Rylance Row, Wigan, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Peter Orme Head Widower Male 46 1845 Lancashire, England Coal Miner
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Denis Halliday Son In Law Married Male 20 1871 Lancashire, England Coal Miner
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Ann J Halliday Stepdaughter Married Female 24 1867 Aspull, Lancashire, England Cotton Spinner
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Jane Halliday Granddaughter - Female 0 1891 Lancashire, England -
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John Johnson Stepson Single Male 22 1869 Lancashire, England Coal Miner

Ann Barton Birchall married Richard Johnson in 1854 he died 1871.
They had daughter Ann Jane Johnson in Aspull 1866 died 1890.
She married Denis Halliday 1888 this is who is with Peter Ormes on 1891 census + John Johnson born 1869 son of Ann and Richard Johnson.

Maryb.

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1869
JOHNSON John BIRCH Aspull Wigan & Leigh ASPL/21/497

1866
JOHNSON Ann Jane BIRCH Aspull Wigan & Leigh ASPL/19/34

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1890
ORME Ann 58 Wigan Wigan & Leigh WIG/122/277

Marriage: 29 May 1854 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Richard Johnson - (X), 22, Collier, Bachelor, Wigan Lane
Ann Birchall - (X), 23, Spinster, Hallgate
Groom's Father: Matthew Johnson, deceased
Witness: William Reeve; Mary Barton, (X)
Married by Banns by: Francis H.Coldwell Curate
Register: Marriages 1854 - 1855, Page 16, Entry 31
Source: LDS Film 1885697

Baptism: 18 May 1831 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Ann Barton Birchall - Daur. of Elizabeth Birchall
Abode: Hallate
Baptised by: J. Bromilow
Register: Baptisms 1830 - 1833, Page 72, Entry 569
Source: LDS Film 1885678

For info - and to complete the set

1881

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
27, Stanley Row, Wigan, Lancashire, England


Peter Ormes Head Married Male 41 1840 Newton, Lancashire, England Coal Miner Transcription
Ann Ormes Wife Married Female 45 1836 Wigan, Lancashire, England - Transcription
Mary Johnson Step Daughter Single Female 18 1863 Blackrod, Lancashire, England Throstle Spinner Cotton Transcription
Ann J Johnson Step Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Aspull, Lancashire, England Throstle Spinner Cotton Transcription
John Johnson Step Son Single Male 12 1869 Aspull, Lancashire, England Scholar Transcription
Richard Johnson Step Son Married Male 22 1859 Wigan, Lancashire, England Coal Miner Transcription
Margaret A Johnson Step Daughter In Law Married Female 21 1860 Manchester, Lancashire, England Cotton Weaver Transcription
Lewis Johnson Step Grand Son Single Male 0 1881 Wigan, Lancashire, England -

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Whitledge Green, Ashton in Makerfield, Wigan, Lancashire, England

William Sudworth Head - Male 51 1820 - Lancashire, England Transcription
Abraham Sudworth Son - Male 27 1844 - Lancashire, England Transcription
William Sudworth Son - Male 24 1847 - Lancashire, England Transcription
Alice Sudworth Daughter - Female 16 1855 - Lancashire, England

First name(s) Betty
Last name Orme
Gender Female
Birth year 1867
Birth place Platt Lane
Baptism year 1868
Baptism date 05 Jul 1868
Place Wigan
County Lancashire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Peter
Father's last name Orme
Mother's first name(s) Jane
Mother's last name Orme