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I have been contacted by David who is searching for this lady, can anyone help please?

'I am trying to find information on my great grandma, Annie Brough.
The only thing i have to go on is she was born about 1891 and had a child, named Charles Henry Ricmond.. She was a domestic servent.

As far as I can tell she was originally from Macclesfield, but ended up in Bolsover, Chesterfield where she had my grandad. I do have a copy of his birth certificate, but there is no father on it.'

From FreeBMD son Charles was born in Chesterfield in Dec Q 1916

There are a number of Annie Broughs born around 1891 so unable to identify on FreeBMD.

The son was married by 1939 so no help there

EDIT - PLEASE IGNORE THIS RECORD AS THIS ANNIE WAS MARRIED

There is this Annie on the 1939 register in Chesterfield (no Charles recorded though unless he is one of the closed records:-

Brough Household (4 People)
55 Saint Helins Street , Chesterfield M.B., Derbyshire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER

Annie Brough 04 Oct 1892 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 144 1
Derek F Brough 14 Oct 1920 Male Template Maker Boiler Construction & Engineering Widowed 144 2
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Fanny Frearson 09 Mar 1867 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 144 4

Although the transcription says she is married, on the image it actually has widow.

Kath. x

That Annie's married name is Brough. Presumably Brough is a maiden name as the son has the same surname and no father is listed on the BC.

In 1911, Annie born Macclesfield was a servant in the household of William Swift in Bolsover

The address was actually a pub

That sounds promising, erica. When was she born?

C1891

No matching birth, though

This is the only likely birth in Macclesfield that I can see:-

First name(s) Annie
Last name Brough
Birth year 1893
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name - Parr
District Macclesfield
County Cheshire
Country England
Volume 8A
Page 123
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Great Britain, England

Kath. x

Thanks both, I'll get David to look at these replies.

There is also this Annie Brough in the 1911 census who could be a possibility. Notice that she has a brother called Charlie - perhaps she named her son after him? :-

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
153 Park Lane Macclesfield, Macclesfield, Cheshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation

Frederick Brough Head Married Male 37 1874 Macclesfield Cheshire Baker
Emily Brough Wife Married Female 36 1875 Macclesfield Cheshire Confectioner
Annie Brough Daughter Single Female 17 1894 Macclesfield Cheshire Bow Maker<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Wilfred Brough Son - Male 13 1898 Macclesfield Cheshire Errand Boy
Charlie Brough Son - Male 10 1901 Macclesfield Cheshire

Kath. x

I wonder if this could be a possibility for the father of Annie's son (illigitimate children were often given their father's full names as forenames):-

First name(s) Charles Henry
Last name Richmond
Birth year 1892
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Siddall
District Chesterfield
County Derbyshire
Country England
Volume 7B
Page 680
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births

If so then this looks like the above Charles in the 1911 census:-

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
93 Poolsbrook Staveley Chesterfield, Staveley, Derbyshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation

Charles Henry Richmond Head Single Male 19 1892 Derbys Staveley Miner Pony Driver In Pit<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Alice Richmond Mother Widow Female 63 1848 Derbys Staveley
Jonathan Richmond Grandson - Male 12 1899 Derbys Staveley School
John Dunn Boarder Single Male 30 1881 Durham An Parish Also Miner Hewer
Florence Ada Bytheway Boarder's Wife Married Female 21 1890 Derbys Staveley
George Bytheway Boarder's Son - Male 3 1908 Derbys Staveley
Gladys Bytheway Boarder's Daughter - Female 1 1910 Derbys Staveley

If this is a possibility then perhaps he couldn't marry Annie because he seems to be head of the household and was looking after his widowed mother and a nephew.

Kath. x

That's a very good find, kathleen! I suspect you may be right.

I've sent a message to David so he can look at this thread. We still haven't identified his Annie, maybe he has other info we can use.

Seems the above Charles Henry Richmond died young:-

Record Transcription:
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

First name(s) Charles H
Last name Richmond
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1892
Age 28
Death quarter 3
Death year 1920
District Chesterfield
County Derbyshire
Volume 7B
Page 643
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

Kath. x

Hi. Many many thanks for all your replies and help me find information on my great grandma.

The only "facts" that i have so far are :-
She had a son who was born Charles Henry Richmond Brough 28/8/1918. there isn't a fathers name on his birth certificate. It also looks like he was born at home.. She was a house keeper (domestic) She lived at that time at Bolsover (although that might be Shuttlewood just outside Bolsover)

One of the things that may be a "possibility", is I found a Banns of marriage between a George Richmond and an Annie Brough with a marriage date of 28/10/1921
I am lead to believe my Annie died young, about 28-33yo, but this has yet to be confirmed.

David

????

Births Mar 1922 (>99%)
Richmond Walter Brough Chesterfield 7b 1484

Births Dec 1923 (>99%)
Richmond Edith A Brough Chesterfield 7b 1278



Deaths Dec 1923 (>99%)
Richmond Annie 28 Chesterfield 7b 744

This may be her, (although iv'e not heard of an Edith before now) Ancestory search =

Birth
abt 1895 • Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
2 Sources
1895

(AGE)

Residence
02 Apr 1911 • Bolsover, Derbyshire, England
Marital Status: SingleRelation to Head of House: Servant

1 Source
1911

16

Marriage
1915 • Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, England
George Richmond
(1878–1953)

1915

20

Birth of Son Charles Henry Richmond Brough(1916–1997)
Dec 1916 • Chesterfield, Derbyshire
1916

21

Birth of Daughter Edith Annie Richmond-brough(1923–2010)
28 Oct 1923 • Derbyshire, England
1923

28

Death

Charles Henry Richmond had an older brother called George. I wonder if this is the George in the Banns you found. Perhaps he felt he would be looking after his brother's son????

However I can't find a record of a marriage between George and Annie.

What was the address on the birth certificate for Annie's son Charles Henry Richmond Brough? Was it the same address that Annie was at in the 1911 census?

You give two different dates for a marriage to George Richmond (1915 and 1921) but I can't find a marriage for either of these dates.

Kath. x

Looks like the 1921 marriage but wrong surname for Annie

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First name(s) George
Last name Richmond
Marriage year 1921
Parish St.Mary
Place Sutton cum Duckmanton
Spouse's first name Annie
Spouse's last name Preston
Reference PC56/02/091
Register Office 393
County Derbyshire
Country England
Record set Derbyshire Registrars Marriage Index
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from England, Great Britain
Derbyshire Family History Society

Transcriptions © Derbyshire Family History Society

Thank you all again.
I'm heading to the funeral directors tomorow (Thursday) to see if they have the service registry for Annie. This is because there have been two fires where the records were held, and not many records servived. She's not making life very easy for me is she.....
Also, if my research is correct, she had a daughter called Edith Annie Richmond. Born 28/10/1923. Again if my research is correct, Annie died either during child birth or soon after as her date of death is also 1923. Looks like Edith lived from 1923 to 2010 firstly in Chesterfield then moved to Australia. She married George Gilbert 18/10/1947.