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Looking for Elizabeth Goulding on 1861 census Elizabeth born 1852, address at time of birth registration 7 Grundy Street, Bromley father Francis Goulding occ. boilermaker mother Ann Goulding, late Freeman, formerly Delay. Have found 1851 census with a Goulding/Freeman link James Goulding abt 1807 Belstone, Staffordshire, Head Bromley St Leonard Jamia Goulding abt 1811 N Wife Bromley St Leonard Francis Goulding abt 1839 Bilstone, Staffordshire, Son Bromley St Leonard John Goulding abt 1842 Deptford, Kent, Son Bromley St Leonard Joseph Goulding abt 1829 Bilstone, Staffordshire, Son Bromley St Leonard Ann Freeman abt 1848 Blackwell, Middlesex, Daughter Bromley St Leonard Ellen Freeman abt 1847 Poplar, Middlesex, W;d Bromley St Leonard Ivonnah Freeman abt 1842 Blackwell, Middlesex, W;d Bromley St Leonard Jane Freeman abt 1845 Blackwell, Middlesex, Daughter Bromley St Leonard Sarah Freeman abt 1849 Poplar, Middlesex, Daughter Bromley St Leonard (The Freeman children are the wife´s children) Ellen Freeman is aged 11 on the image - therefore born 1840 James Goulding - boilermaker address 1 Grundy street, Bromley Have found marriage of Ann Delay/William Freeman 1839 Jul-Aug-Sep - Stepney - Volume: 2 - Page: 401 Would expect to find them together on the 1841 census -but can´t see them at the moment. Can anyone find the above family on the 1861 census, or find Elizabeth with her parents Francis and Ann? Thank you Elaine

I may be missing something here.........forgive me if that's the case...........but if Elizabeth's father and mother are Francis and Ann........who are the people in 1851? Reg

hiya reg, i think elaine has put that family on because elizabeths mother ann WAS a freeman, and there are aslo goldings with same occupations in that census return, also they live on same st as elizabeth was born, possiblily a connection, g/parents/aunts etc.. hth Julie

Sorry - had to dash off for a while. Reggie you are right - Elizabeth´s parents are Francis and Ann and Darksecretz you are right - have put the 1851 census information on because of the Goulding/Freeman connection, and similar address. Just felt that there had to be a connection somewhere - but at the moment I can´t see it.

Have you found Elizabeth anywhere? Reg

a possible in1871 Elizabeth Golding abt 1852 Poplar, Middlesex, England Servant Shadwell London married in 1881 Elizabeth Bonicrie abt 1853 London, Middlesex, England Wife Bromley St Leonard London (mistranscribed -should be Bouverie) In 1891 listed as Elizabeth Barberie b1855 Westminster (again should be Bouverie) and in 1901 listed as Eliz Bouverte b 1853 Poplar (again mistranscribed - should be Bouverie) A nightmare family !!!

i know its not srictly what you asked for, but i think this is them, 1851 >> Ann Goulding abt 1834 St Georges in East Lodger St Giles in the Fields Middlesex >>> Francis Goulding abt 1831 St Georges in East Lodger St Giles in the Fields Middlesex >>> Patrick Goulding abt 1837 St Georges in East Lodger St Giles in the Fields Middlesex View Record Ann Kelly abt 1806 Ireland Wife St Giles in the Fields Middlesex View Record John Kelly abt 1811 Ireland Head St Giles in the Fields Middlesex will have a look at image julie

Francis is a salesman in that census - where as he is listed as a boilermaker on Elizabeths birth certificate in 1852 and marriage certificate in 1871.

hiya, even though it doesnt say as much, have saved image, it looks like patrick is francis's brother, and ann his francis's wife even though she's only 17, wasnt there a patrick on the other info you found?? If you have msn messenger i can send you image, his ocupation was salesman (francis), patrick was errand boy, Julie

Its OK Julie - have got access to Ancestry. With the occupation of salesman I really am doubtful if its the one I am looking for.

also - if wife Ann is only 17 then I would have thought that rather young for a second marriage. On Elizabeth´s birth certificate she is Ann Goulding, late Freeman, formerly Delay

Julie, could you do me a favour and look up the 1851 census - wife´s name has been transcribed as Jamia but am not sure that is what it says - have you got anyother suggestions for it?

and also on the 1851 census one of the Freeman daughters has the name Ivonnah Freeman - any suggestions what this might be?

elaine, i have foundcensus details for /freeman/goulding family, now to me the wife's name looks like Jannia, i wonder if it is your family, and that the father is actually james francis? i may just be rambling, but it would fit, maybe i'mjust trying to 'make' it fit?? julie

I agree that it could well be the right family - names and occupations fit, plus the closeness of the address - that´s why I need to find that lot in the 1861 to see if Elizabeth is with them!!! Bacardi and coke now by my side - perhaps it will inspire me!!!

me again, iovanna, or whoever, is JOANNAH, possibly Susannah, as the first letter of name is same as sarah last child, but it also matches with the J of james/john etc.. i know it dont help much, but i really do want to help Julie

Julie, yes think you may be right with Joannah. The other thing I was thinking of is that if this is the right family then I should be able to find Ellen Freeman on the 1841 census with mother Ann and father William Freeman - but can´t find that either!! (Ellen is actually aged 11 on the image, therefore born in 1840 not 1847) And yes - I know you want to help and I really appreciate your input.

hiya, i'll have a look for ellen as well, was looking for sarah, but that is a law unto itself, feel like a one legged duck swimming in circles, this family are just as difficult as some of mine LOL Julie

Well Julie, I am going to have to leave this here for a while as OH is wanting to be fed! Thanks for your help this afternoon - might nudge the thread up a bit later to see if any of the evening detectives can help out! Elaine