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hiya, sorry had dinner, but i have found this, 1861 Name: Ellen Freeman Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1838 Relation: Attendant Household: View other family members Gender: Female Where born: Campden Town, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Kensington St Mary Abbott Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip Town: Brompton County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Source information: RG9/22 Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: Brompton ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Folio: 75 Page: 10 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 44 GSU Number: 542558 julie

Julie, That could be her in 1861 - will now have a look to see if I can find her in 1851, Have just found this possible marriage on freeBMD Marriages Dec 1843 Freeman Anne London 2 77 Golding Francis London 2 77 The date certainly fits in with the Freeman children in the 1851 census. Problem - if I get the certificate how is it going to help me?

Ignore my last message - it doesn´t fit in with the Freeman children!! Am getting totally confused here! So if the marriage I have found in 1843 is the correct one then the 1851 census I have found cannot be right. (Losing the plot here - talking to myself!!!)

nah, u not i'm here LOL it doesnt help that there are two lots of surnames, you are wary as if they kept the freeman name or adopted the goulding try as i might, i cannot see them on 1841, have even resorted to looking under nancy for ann, and still nothing, my only other therory is that the children had other first names, and the ones were looking at are there middle names Julie

hiya, have you seen this???? 1841 View Record Ann Delay abt 1827 Essex, England East Ham Essex View Record Edward Delay abt 1836 Essex, England East Ham Essex View Record Johanah Delay abt 1826 Essex, England East Ham Essex View Record John Delay abt 1838 Essex, England East Ham Essex View Record Margaret Delay abt 1834 Essex, England East Ham Essex View Record Mary Delay abt 1796 Essex, England East Ham Essex View Record Ann Moloney abt 1771 Ireland East Ham Essex think its connected????? Julie

hiya, i really think we need to sit down and evaluate exactly what we have got, the facts,and try and go from there, i'm just clutching at straws here, and wondering if we are going round in circles Julie

Julie, I know what you mean about going round in circles and clutching at straws because that is exactly how I feel at the moment. The problem is that the only known facts are -, Elizabeth born 1852, address at time of birth registration 7 Grundy Street, Bromley father Francis Goulding occ. boilermaker mother Ann Goulding, late Freeman, formerly Delay Elizabeth Goulding married Charles Bouverie in 1871, marriage certificate shows father as Francis Goulding, boilermaker. I can find Elizabeth on the census in 1881, 1891 and 1901, and have a possible for her in 1871. I really think I am going to have to forget about this one for a while and move on to another of my brickwalls!! Thank you very much for all your help today.