General Chat

Of those under 25 who did vote it was a massive 73% Remain, only 23% Leave.

Autumn Leaves

Thank you also

Chris

It is my understanding that the decimation of the steel and shipbuilding industries was forced by Asian hands. This happened in Australia too (Whyalla, SA is a prime example).

The rise of Asia was swift once countries switched from a predominant agrarian economy. Using overseas-produced steel, Asia began to produce ships more cheaply than the UK and most other countries. It was not long before Asia began to produce its own steel. The writing was on the wall for the West.

Japan led the way but has been largely overtaken by other Asian countries.


David, regarding your comment about bankers. Regardless of how much individuals have in their personal coffers, their job is to make the most they can. That is how they make their banks profitable and competitive which is what every employee (banker or not) ought to be doing for their employer.

Having said that, they do have rules to follow and we have seen the outcomes when individuals get caught breaking the rules.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/25/petition-for-second-eu-referendum-hits-1-million-signatures-5965795/

Somebody discovered Leave's ruthless plan for the future of the UK:

The comprehensive Brexit plan:

1: Get our country back
2: We haven't thought this far ahead
— Ben Cooper (@bencooper) June 24, 2016

Admission of more lies, sorry misunderstandings, from the exit brigade on immigration.

Leave campaigner Nigel Evans MP says there had been "some misunderstanding” over the Leave campaign’s position on reducing immigration and there will be no reduction, only 'control' , whatever that means.

It looks more and more that much of the public has been the taken in by a huge con. No wonder there is a petition calling for a new referendum.

Unsurprising to see people backtracking on statements made in the run-up to the vote. They ought to have been challenged vigorously.

Elizabeth, Oz (dtr) mentioned the million-signature petition this morning. We think that a good proportion of the signatories may have voted to leave and are now running scared having listened to the backtracking going on.

Many in the Remain camp are putting the blame for their defeat on Exit pressing the immigration issue and all Leavers being closet racists.
A misguided view in my experience.
In my experience the reasons for voting Leave were more focused on the EU mantra of "Ever closer union" and mistrust that the objective would remain and be put into practice regardless of any agreements, vetos or whatever.
The freedom of movement clause should be so that workers could temporarily take jobs in other member States, e.g. to work in oversas branches or where there is a skills shortage whilst native workers are being recruited and trained, and not to facilitate wholesale and permanent population migration. But that is not how it is being applied.

I think JoyLouise hits the nail right on the head. There must be many people who voted out who are now waking up to the full realisation of what they have done and regretting their decision.

I'm sure many did vote as a protest but many more were clearly taken in the the promises of milk and honey, all of which seem to be evaporating as quickly as the morning mists. I also believe many of the protest voters would have accepted a remain result, as it happens, wrongly assuming that would be the likely outcome, irrespective of the way they voted.

I can see the public costs of leaving amounting to tens if not hundreds of billions over the next decade. The lawyers especially must be rubbing their hands with glee. As far as gaining our independence from the EU surely the opposite will happen, probably for many years to come, as they will wish to dictate the terms of our leaving in a way which suits them, not us.