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JaneyJane

JaneyJane Report 7 Jan 2018 10:04

can anyone advise me on how to find a maiden name for someone, I am really struggling as I can't even find a marriage

Edward Ashmore born 1791 Birmingham Warwickshire
Catherine ?? born 1791 Painswick Gloucestershire

Lived in Sheffield 1841 census

Thank you in advance

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 7 Jan 2018 10:38

Hi Janey

Can you please confirm that it's Joseph Ashmore.......or could it possibly be Edward Ashmore??

??

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
South Street, Sheffield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Edward Ashmore Male 50 1791 - Glass Grinder
Catherine Ashmore Female 50 1791 -
William Ashmore Male 15 1826 - Glass Grinder
Oliver Ashmore Male 12 1829 Glass Grinder Yorkshire, England
Eve Ashmore Female 8 1833 Yorkshire, England


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Court, South Street Park, Sheffield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Edward Ashmore Head Married Male 60 1791 Optician Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Transcription
Catharine Ashmore Wife Married Female 60 1791 - Painswick, Gloucestershire, England
Transcription
Anne Ashmore Daughter In Law Married Female 28 1823 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
William Ashmore Son Married Male 27 1824 Optician Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 7 Jan 2018 11:00

Oliver Ashmore in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Oliver Ashmore
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 23 Nov 1828
Baptism Place: Cathedral Saint Peter,Sheffield,York,England
Father: Edward Ashmore
Mother: Catherine


Eve Ashmore in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Eve Ashmore
Registration Year: 1841
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Sheffield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 22
Page: 340

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 7 Jan 2018 11:06

Catharine Ashmore in the Birmingham, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1964
Name: Catharine Ashmore
Age: 1
Birth Date: abt 1817
Burial Date: 25 Jan 1818
Age: 1 Year
Abode: Northwood Street
Burial Place: Birmingham, St Mary, Warwickshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Birmingham, St Mary
Father: Edward Ashmore
Mother: Catharine Ashmore
Ceremony performed by....B Howell




Catharine Ashmore in the Birmingham, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1964
Name: Catharine Ashmore
Age: 1
Birth Date: abt 1819
Burial Date: 20 Feb 1820
Age: 13 Months
Abode: Winson Green
Burial Place: Birmingham, St Mary, Warwickshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Birmingham, St Mary
Father: Edward Ashmore
Mother: Catharine Ashmore
Ceremony performed by....B Howell

JaneyJane

JaneyJane Report 7 Jan 2018 11:11

Hi Pricklyholly

Yes it is Edward.....my error, thank you for the info of Baby Catharine, where did you find that?

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 7 Jan 2018 11:14

Found on Ancestry. There appears to be 2 baby Catherine's (Added)....How sad.

Haven't come across a marriage for Edward though.

JaneyJane

JaneyJane Report 7 Jan 2018 12:26

I have found her maiden name I think it is Dickenson, but still can't find a marriage....maybe they weren't married

:-D

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 7 Jan 2018 12:34

How did you manage to figure that out??

I came across this possible Baptism........but can't find a marriage to Edward Ashmore.

??

County Gloucestershire
Place (link for place information) Painswick
Church name St Mary
Register type Unspecified
Baptism date 31 Jan 1790
Person forename Catherine
Person sex F
Father forename Joseph
Father surname DICKINSON
Mother forename Betty
Mother surname DICKINSON
Witness
Witness
Register note

JaneyJane

JaneyJane Report 7 Jan 2018 13:25

Well I searched Edward Ashmore on ancestry which I don't subscribe to and it came up with a match on a tree and his spouse was Catherine Dickenson and the details of the 1841 census matched, so I did a birth search for Catherine Dickenson and found one born 1790 in painswick Gloucestershire which is the details on the census of 1841 when they lived in shefgield

LondonBelle

LondonBelle Report 7 Jan 2018 17:14

In case you haven't got it this is Catherine in the 1861 Census

Name: Catherine Ashmore
Age: 70
Estimated birth year: 1791
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Painswick, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: Dyers Hill
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: Sheffield Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 139
Piece: 3493
Folio: 31
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
Catherine Ashmore 70
Edwin Ashmore 40 Son b Birmingham
William Ashmore 17
Edwin Ashmore 10
Ellen Ashmore 7
Albert Ashmore 4

This I believe is Edwin's Baptism....there is an image for it

Name: Edwin Ashmall
Age: 1
Birth Date: 9 Dec 1820
Baptism Date: 9 Sep 1822
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Philip, Warwickshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Birmingham, St Philip
Search Photos: Search for 'Birmingham, St Philip' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
View this parish
Father: Edward Ashmall occ Maltser
Mother: Catherine Ashmall
Abode: Winson Green

This, I think, is the Baptism for William who appears on both the 1841 & 1851 Censuses

Name: William Ashmall
Age: 0
Birth Date: 16 Jun 1823
Baptism Date: 7 Jul 1823
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Philip, Warwickshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Birmingham, St Philip
Search Photos: Search for 'Birmingham, St Philip' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
View this parish
Father: Edward Ashmall occ Maltser
Mother: Catherine Ashmall
Abode: Winson Green

You will note that the surname in both instances was Ashmall; perhaps the surname was Ashmall and became Ashmore .......Just a thought!





LondonBelle

LondonBelle Report 7 Jan 2018 17:22

Death Announcement in The Sheffield Daily Telegraph, Monday, 02 Oct 1865:

On the 30th ult., Catherine, widow of the late Mr Edward Ashmore, South Street, Park, 75 years.

JaneyJane

JaneyJane Report 7 Jan 2018 17:32

Thank you londonbelle

It is possible then that the surname had changed and that's why I can't find a marriage I will dig a little deeper

LondonBelle

LondonBelle Report 7 Jan 2018 17:51

I'm wondering whether Catharine's surname was Selwyn. There is at Baptism on 31 Aug 1788 in Painswick

Catharine dau of William & Sarah Selwyn

Image available.

Then there is this Marriage

Name: Catharine Selvin
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 10 Mar 1812
Marriage Place: St Nicholas, Bristol, Gloucester, England
Spouse: Edward Ashmill

I haven't been able to find an image for the marriage only a transcript

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 7 Jan 2018 19:29

Londonbelle .............


that looks good ......

......... there does not seem to be any other marriage for an Edw* Ashm* to a Cath* anywhere in England between 1800 and 1827 .......... at least, not on the internet!

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 7 Jan 2018 19:48

There is also this son........

Charles Ashmill in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Charles Ashmill
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 6 Oct 1812
Baptism Date: 25 Oct 1812
Baptism Place: Saint John,Portsea,Hampshire,England
Father: Edward Ashmill
Mother: Catharine

Living in the next property to Edward and Catherine on the 1851 census.......

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Court, South Street Park, Sheffield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Charles Ashmore Head Married Male 38 1813 Spectacle Frame Maker Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Mary Ashmore Wife Married Female 37 1814 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Charles S Ashmore Son Unmarried Male 12 1839 Scholar Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Mary C Ashmore Daughter Unmarried Female 8 1843 Scholar Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Walter Ashmore Son Unmarried Male 3 1848 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Granville Street, Sheffield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Charles Ashmore Male 25 1816 - Specticle Maker
Mary Ashmore Female 25 1816 Yorkshire, England
Charles S Ashmore Male 3 1838 Yorkshire, England

Living next door.......

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Granville Street, Sheffield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Edwin Ashmore Male 20 1821 - Glass Grinder
Martha Ashmore Female 20 1821 Yorkshire, England


Edwin Ashmore in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Edwin Ashmore
Spouse: Martha Wilson
Registration Year: 1840
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Sheffield
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 22
Page: 472




PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 7 Jan 2018 19:56

Bingo!!!

First son born.........

ASHMORE, CHARLES ""SELVIN"" MMN WOODCOCK
GRO Reference: 1838 J Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 22 Page 560

Charles Selwin Ashmore in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Charles Selwin Ashmore
Registration Year: 1838
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Sheffield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 22
Page: 560

ASHMORE, MARY CATHERINE MMN WOODCOCK
GRO Reference: 1842 D Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 22 Page 527 or 8

ASHMORE, WALTER MMN WOODCOCK
GRO Reference: 1847 S Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 22 Page 533

Parents marriage...


Charles Ashmore in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Charles Ashmore
Spouse: Mary Woodcock
Registration Year: 1837
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Sheffield
Volume: 22
Page: 315


Charles Ashmore in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
Name: Charles Ashmore
Death Date: 17 Dec 1890 (Correction....Death Date 17 Dec 1889)
Death Place: Yorkshire, England
Probate Date: 27 Aug 1890
Registry: Wakefield

Late of Sheffield in the County of York...Optician.

To Mary Ashmore of South Street Park, Sheffield...Widow the Relict the Universal Legatee......Personal Estate: £214 8s


Deaths Dec 1889 (>99%)
Ashmore Charles 77 Sheffield 9c 333



SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 7 Jan 2018 20:04

??Other children?

England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

First name(s) Eliza
Last name Ashmell
Gender Female
Birth year 1814
Birth place Livery Street, Birmingham
Baptism year 1815
Baptism date 19 May 1815
Residence Birmingham, Warwick, England
Place Birmingham
County Warwickshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Edward
Father's last name Ashmell
Mother's first name(s) Catharine
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, United Kingdom


First name(s) Charlotte
Last name Ashmall
Gender Female
Birth year 1818
Birth place Winson Green
Baptism year 1819
Baptism date 22 Feb 1819
Residence Birmingham, Warwick, England
Place Birmingham
County Warwickshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Edward
Father's last name Ashmall
Mother's first name(s) Catherine
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, United Kingdom


Yorkshire Baptisms

First name(s) Mary Ann
Last name Ashmore
Birth year 1826
Birth date 26 Jun 1826
Baptism year 1826
Baptism date 09 Jul 1826
Baptism place Sheffield, Cathedral Church of St Peter & St Paul
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Edward
Mother's first name(s) Catherine
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Archive Sheffield Archives & Local Studies
Archive reference PR-138-2-14
Page 226
Record set Yorkshire Baptisms
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, United Kingdom

from image:-
Father Occupation:- Glass Cutter


First name(s) Oliver
Last name Ashmore
Birth year 1828
Birth date 04 Nov 1828
Baptism year 1828
Baptism date 23 Nov 1828
Baptism place Sheffield, Cathedral Church of St Peter & St Paul
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Edward
Mother's first name(s) Catherine
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Archive Sheffield Archives & Local Studies
Archive reference PR-138-2-16
Page 210
Record set Yorkshire Baptisms
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, United Kingdom

Father occupation:- Glass Cutter




????? yours or not ??????

England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

First name(s) Charles
Last name Ashmill
Gender Male
Birth year 1812
Birth place -
Baptism year 1812
Baptism date 25 Oct 1812
Place Portsea
County Hampshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Edward
Father's last name Ashmill
Mother's first name(s) Catharine
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, United Kingdom

another record for Charles ..........


Hampshire, Portsmouth Baptisms

First name(s) Charles
Last name Ashmill
Birth year 1812
Birth date 06 Oct 1812
Baptism year 1812
Baptism date 25 Oct 1812
Baptism place Portsea, St John
Dedication St John
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Edward
Mother's first name(s) Catharine
County Hampshire
Country England
Register type Baptisms
Register year range 1808-1813
Archive reference CHU 5/A/1/2
Archive Portsmouth History Centre
Record set Hampshire, Portsmouth Baptisms
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, United Kingdom

from image:-
Father a Privateer of Worcester Militia

JaneyJane

JaneyJane Report 7 Jan 2018 20:27

Oh now I'm really confused....... :-S

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 7 Jan 2018 20:33

why?

JaneyJane

JaneyJane Report 7 Jan 2018 21:50

I have all the children born in Sheffield with the surname Ashmore

how does it happen that there are so many different versions of the surname? is it due to misinterpretation?

thank you all for your help

sylviaincanada - looks like Edward was in the Worcester Militia!! this is something of interest