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Member Since: May 2003 Posts: 20,649 Send Message	maggiewinchester	Report	7 Jan 2018 21:59
	Different variations of a surname are due to the census writer - or even the rector - and accents! I've got Cattermoles in my family. We went to Sweffling (where the family came from) and looked in the (photocopied) records kept in the church. Fortunately we worked backwards. The name had about 5 different spellings, from Cattermole, Catermule, Catermulle, back to the 'first' spelling - Kakermoullle! Shears - Sheers, Sheeres, Shires, Shiers. etc
	Researching: Henry Floyd (g x 4 grandad) Allegedly the heaviest man in England in 1842
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,044 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	7 Jan 2018 22:13
	Janey ............. we all find some to many variants of surnames through the ages. Most of our ancestors were illiterate, so could not read a register or census form to see if it was spelled correctly. Most census enumerators (those who took down the information) were often only a little more illiterate. Many vicars could not spell. Add to this, the hundreds if not thousands of dialects to be found in the UK back then. Try to say a name in a thick Lancashire accent (for example), and try to decide how it would sound to a "furriner" from Northumberland or Devon! Like maggie, I have all kinds of spellings in the families I'm researching. Hayhurst - Hayurst - Hairst ............... then the transcription of that on one census as Porst :-0 The latter was easy to correct, but the others are all found in official records such as Parish Records, military documents, and censuses, and are as thought to be spelled or heard by the person writing down the information. Who knows what the original spelling was?!!! It does look as though Edward was Ashmill or Ashmall to begin, and that then transformed into Ashmore. True or not?
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: February 2003 Posts: 65 Send Message	JaneyJane	Report	8 Jan 2018 05:37
	Thank you maghiewinchester and sylviaincanada for your explanations Really helpful, it's the first time I've come across a name change in my tree
	Researching: Hudson, Ashmore, Dobbs, Winter, Whitehouse, Fiddler, Fern, Fenton Sheffield, Birmingham,
Member Since: March 2006 Posts: 90,833 Send Message	LondonBelle	Report	8 Jan 2018 06:53
	I think Prickles find of the birth of Charles Selwin Ashmore in 1838 nails it for me :-D I've found burial transcripts for Charles with his middle name spelt as Selwin & Selwyn. I'm now 99% sure that Edward"s wife was Catherine Selwyn. I agree with everyone about how surname spellings change and have come across similar instances in my own Tree. if you say Ashmore quickly & throw in an accent, I too can see how it may have been written as Ashmall. Chances are both Edward & Catherine were illiterate and therefore wouldn't have any idea if it was written correctly or not!
	Researching: Go on, make my day!
Member Since: February 2003 Posts: 65 Send Message	JaneyJane	Report	8 Jan 2018 08:16
	I agree with the misinterpretation of the name and the accents when being recorded but not sure I agree with Edward being illiterate as he was an optician and optical lens grinder, this seems to be the chosen profession of his male descendants and surely would need to be able to read and write.....just a thought
	Researching: Hudson, Ashmore, Dobbs, Winter, Whitehouse, Fiddler, Fern, Fenton Sheffield, Birmingham,
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	8 Jan 2018 09:14
	Catherine's parents marriage..... ?? County Gloucestershire Place (link for place information) Painswick Church name St Mary Register type Unspecified Marriage date 11 Nov 1770 Groom forename Will'm Groom surname SELWYN Groom parish Otp Bride forename Sarah Bride surname DAVIES Bride parish Otp Witness Tho's ? Witness E'ward WHITEHEAD Register note Banns Transcriber notes Further children........ County Gloucestershire Place (link for place information) Painswick Church name St Mary Register type Unspecified Baptism date 28 Sep 1777 Person forename W'm Person sex M Father forename W'm Father surname SELWYN Mother forename Sarah Mother surname SELWYN Witness Witness Register note Transcriber notes County Gloucestershire Place (link for place information) Painswick Church name St Mary Register type Unspecified Baptism date 26 Mar 1780 Person forename JAMES Person sex M Father forename W'M Father surname SELWYN Mother forename SAR'H Mother surname SELWYN Witness Witness Register note Transcriber notes County Gloucestershire Place (link for place information) Painswick Church name St Mary Register type Unspecified Baptism date 29 Dec 1782 Person forename Sar'h Person sex F Father forename W'm Father surname SELWYN Mother forename Sar'h Mother surname SELWYN Witness Witness Register note Transcriber notes County Gloucestershire Place (link for place information) Painswick Church name St Mary Register type Unspecified Baptism date 9 Apr 1787 Person forename Robert Person sex M Father forename Will'm Father surname SELWYN Mother forename Sarah Mother surname SELWYN Witness Witness Register note Transcriber notes
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: March 2006 Posts: 90,833 Send Message	LondonBelle	Report	8 Jan 2018 10:13
	You may well be right about Edward's literacy. However, I note that his son Edwin whose occupation was an Optician signed the Parish Marriage Register in 1840 with 'a mark'.
	Researching: Go on, make my day!
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	8 Jan 2018 10:19
	?? Selwin James — — 1547-1812 England, Phillimore Marriage Registers, 1531-1913 Painswick, Gloucestershire, England James Selwin & Sarah Holder...5 May 1803 .. 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Pig Street, Painswick, Stroud, Gloucestershire, England James Selwin Male 60 1781 Cloth Worker Gloucestershire, England Sarah Selwin Female 60 1781 Gloucestershire, England Deaths Sep 1845 (>99%) SELWYN James Stroud 11 267 Robert Selwyn in the Gloucestershire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1913 Name: Robert Selwyn Event Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 22 Sep 1822 Baptism Place: Painswick, Gloucestershire, England Parish as it Appears: Painswick Search Photos: Search for 'Painswick' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map: View this parish Father: James Selwyn (Cloth Worker....Painswick) Mother: Sarah Selwyn Robert Selwyn in the Gloucestershire, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1988 Name: Robert Selwyn Death Age: 0 Birth Year: abt 1822 Burial Date: 27 Nov 1822 Burial Place: Painswick, Gloucestershire, England Parish as it Appears: Painswick
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: February 2003 Posts: 65 Send Message	JaneyJane	Report	8 Jan 2018 18:13
	londonbelle.....I can't find the 1861 census with Catherine, Edwin etc on find my past or genes reunited
	Researching: Hudson, Ashmore, Dobbs, Winter, Whitehouse, Fiddler, Fern, Fenton Sheffield, Birmingham,
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	8 Jan 2018 18:35
	Mis-transcribed as "Asherson" on FMP 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Court 20, 20, South Street, Sheffield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England Catherine Asherson Head Widow Female 70 1791 - Gloucestershire, England Edwin Asherson - Widower Male 40 1821 Optical Glass Grinder Birmingham, Warwickshire, England William Asherson Son - Male 17 1844 Optical Glass Grinder Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Edwin Asherson Son - Male 10 1851 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Ellen Asherson Daughter - Female 7 1854 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Albert Asherson Son - Male 4 1857 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England National Burial Index for England & Wales Transcription First name(s) Catherine Last name Ashmore Age 75 Birth year 1790 Death year 1865 Burial year 1865 Burial date 03 Oct 1865 Church Sheffield Park St John Denomination Anglican Place Sheffield County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West Riding) Country England Record set National Burial Index For England & Wales Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Burials Collections from Great Britain, England
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: February 2003 Posts: 65 Send Message	JaneyJane	Report	8 Jan 2018 20:10
	many thanks you've all been so very helpful :-)
	Researching: Hudson, Ashmore, Dobbs, Winter, Whitehouse, Fiddler, Fern, Fenton Sheffield, Birmingham,
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	8 Jan 2018 20:36
	Edwin's wife Martha died in 1860..... Deaths Mar 1860 (>99%) Ashmore Martha Sheffield 9c 236 Edwin re-married in 1865 Marriages Dec 1865 (>99%) Ashmore Edwin Sheffield 9c 593 Hammond Elizabeth Sheffield 9c 593 A change of occupation for Edwin in 1971...... 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription South Street, Sheffield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England E Ashmore Head - Male 50 1821 Licenced Victualler Yorkshire, England Elizabeth Ashmore Wife - Female 38 1833 - Norfolk, England Edward Ashmore Son - Male 20 1851 Glass Grinder Yorkshire, England Mary Ann Ashmore Daughter - Female 20 1851 - Yorkshire, England Ellen Ashmore Daughter - Female 18 1853 - Yorkshire, England 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Shrewsbury Hotel, 109, South Street, Sheffield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England Edwin Ashmore Head Married Male 60 1821 Inkeeper Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Elizabeth Ashmore Wife Married Female 46 1835 - Lynn, Norfolk, England Fanny Hague Servant Single Female 30 1851 General Serv Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Elizabeth Rimington Visitor Single Female 16 1865 Domestic Serv Mapplewell, Yorkshire, England H Brookfield Boarder - Male 19 1852 - Yorkshire, England Edwin Ashmore in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995 Name: Edwin Ashmore Death Date: 15 Nov 1887 Death Place: Yorkshire, England Probate Date: 2 Jan 1888 Registry: Wakefield Late of 109 South Street Park, Sheffield in the County of York....Publican By Elizabeth Ashmore of 109 South Street Park Widow the Relick the sole Executrix Personal Estate: £168 3s 11d
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: February 2003 Posts: 65 Send Message	JaneyJane	Report	8 Jan 2018 21:56
	ooh wow thanks I had seen that he was republican when he died, but not got as far as you have :-D
	Researching: Hudson, Ashmore, Dobbs, Winter, Whitehouse, Fiddler, Fern, Fenton Sheffield, Birmingham,
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	8 Jan 2018 22:33
	Edwin's second wife Elizabeth on the 1891 census............ 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Shrewsbury Hotel, South Street, Sheffield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England Elizabeth Ashmore Head Widow Female 55 1836 Licensed Victualler Norfolk, England Frances Hague - Single Female 35 1856 General Servant Yorkshire, England George Holleley Boarder Married Male 62 1829 Cattle Dealer Yorkshire, England William B Glaves Boarder Single Male 35 1856 Painter Yorkshire, England George Kay Boarder Single Male 36 1855 Stone Mason London, Middlesex, England George E Smart Visitor Single Male 22 1869 Mineral Water Maker London, Middlesex, England Elizabeth A Smart Boarder Single Female 16 1875 Saw Rubber Yorkshire, England Sarah E Smart Visitor - Female 11 1880 - Yorkshire, England Frederick Dent Boarder Married Male 39 1852 Commercial Traveller - Good for her!!! Elizabeth Ashmore in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 Name: Elizabeth Ashmore Estimated birth year: abt 1834 Registration Year: 1899 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death: 65 Registration district: Sheffield Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume: 9c Page: 366
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))

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