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I have been unable on Ancestry to find my Gt Gt grandmother Catherine Maddrell born 1836 in the 1861 IOM census. I have been told that she does appear in the 1861 Census which apparently shows her working as a house maid in the home of Edward Gawne. This was a wealthy family as there were 12 indoor servants - governess, butler, housekeeper, footmen etc. I believe the residence was Kentraugh House.

She does appear in the 1841 and 1951 Census as the daughter of William Maddrell Tailor and Ann (M/S Turnbull)

I'd be grateful if anyone can help me find her 1861 entry.

Could this be her?

1861 Isle of Man Census
about Catherine Maddrell Name: Catherine Maddrell
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Castletown, Isle of Man

Civil Parish or Township: Malew
Town: Castletown
Country: Isle of Man

Registration district: Anglesey
Sub-registration district: Holyhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 130
Piece: 4414
Folio: 34
Page Number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Cain 39
Elizabeth Cain 34
Catherine Maddrell 23

For our Info - Catherine in 1851 - shown as born Rushen (a parish in the SW of the I of M). It doesn't include Castletown (see previous post), but Castletown appears to be the largest place nearby and as such may have been a place name recognised by people elsewhere.

Name: Catharine Maddrell
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Where born: Rushen, Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Maddrell
Mother's name: Ann Maddrell
Gender: Female
Civil Parish or Township: Rushen
Town: Crossecaly
County/Island: Isle of Man
Country: Isle of Man
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Occupation: View image
Disability: View image
Registration district: Isle of Man
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 100
Piece: 2526
Folio: 267
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
William Maddrell 62
Ann Maddrell 56
Edward Maddrell 17
Catharine Maddrell 15
Henry Maddrell 12
Ann Cubbon 4

Castletown is in the Malew parish and there is a Catherine Maddrell b 1838 Malew on the 1851 census so she could be Margee's find?

This is Edward Gawne of Kentraugh, and his household, in 1861 - doesn't include Catherine.


1861 Isle of Man Census about Edwd McGennis
Name: Edwd McGennis
[Edwd M Gawne]
[Edwd Gawne]
Age: 58
Estimated birth year: abt 1803
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily Maria McGennis
Gender: Male
Where born: Isle of Man

Civil Parish or Township: Rushen
Country: Isle of Man

Street address: View image (Kentraugh)
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Anglesey
Sub-registration district: Holyhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 4430
Folio: 4
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Edwd McGennis 58 Head
Emily Maria McGennis 46 Wife
Richard M McGennis 21 Son
Emily H McGennis 19 Daughter
Francis g M McGennis 14 son
Isalen Jane McGennis 12 daughter
Katharine E McGennis 11 daughter
Edens H McGennis 8 daughter
John M McGennis 6 son
Anne Margt McGennis 4 daughter
Richd J Mamay 18 visitor (Murray)
Adolanes g A Lindsay 34 servant (as are all the rest of the household)
Mary A Wallace 44
Jonathan Clarke 58
Joshiah Woodlan 25
Margt Quathough 52
Eliza Collister 38
Ann Clarke 40
Elopy Christian 24
Jane Clague 25
Ellin Carnall 26
Ann Costain 23
Esther Massell 24
Maria Taylor 22

Isle of Man Marriage index 1606-1984
Is this Catherine's marriage record?

Name: Catherine Maddrell
Marriage Date: 24 Feb 1869
Marriage Place: Rushen, Isle of Man
Spouse: Robert McLeod
Biography: Married: Robert McLeod. Groom's marital status: Bachelor. Groom's father: Roderick Mcleod. Bride's marital status: Spinster. Bride's father: William Maddrell. (MS10400/4/3)

Or did she marry much younger?

Name: Catherine Maddrell
Marriage Date: 1 May 1852
Marriage Place: Rushen, Isle of Man
Spouse: Henry Karran
Biography: Married: Henry Karran. Groom's marital status: Bachelor. Groom's father: Thomas Karran. Bride's marital status: Spinster. Bride's father: William Maddrell. (MS10400/4/3)

EDIT - probably on 1861 census age 31 b Rushen with Henry and family including an 8 year old child which would tie in with an 1852 marriage.

If this is the family you are referring to..........


1861 Isle of Man Census
about Edwd McGennis >>>>>>>Edwd M Gawne on the image
Age:58
Estimated birth year:abt 1803
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Emily Maria McGennis
Gender:Male
Where born:Isle of Man
Civil Parish or Township:Rushen
Country:Isle of Man

Household Members:

Edwd McGennis 58
Emily Maria McGennis 46
Richard M McGennis 21
Emily H McGennis 19
Francis g M McGennis 14
Isalen Jane McGennis 12
Katharine E McGennis 11
Edens H McGennis 8
John M McGennis 6
Anne Margt McGennis 4
Richd J Mamay 18
Adolanes g A Lindsay 34 (Governess)
Mary A Wallace 44 (Nurse)
Jonathan Clarke 58 (Butler)
Joshiah Woodlan 25 (Footman)
Margt Quathough 52 (Housekeeper)
Eliza Collister 38 (Maid)
Ann Clarke 40 (Cook)
Elopy Christian 24 (Kitchen Maid)
Jane Clague 25 (Dairy Maid)
Ellin Carnall 26 (Laundry Maid)
Ann Costain 23 (Under Maid)
Esther Massell 24 (House Maid)<<<<<<<<
Maria Taylor 22 (Under Maid)

Looking at the image.........it is possible that the surname is actually Maddrell

Tricky to make out the first name.........but it does look like Esther ???.

I've posted that as well, PricklyHolly - and on having another look, I think Esther Massell is actually Cath (and a squiggle to denote an abbreviation) Maddrell.

Think you've got it PH and AG - has Catherine been shortened to Cath ne with the ne slightly raised? Could easily be Maddrell as the surname.

Yes.........just had another look.........Cath with a squiggle!

:-D

Thank you all. Stuart has the correct Catherine. Here is the 1841 Census:-
1841, Rushen, district 5, page 12, Cross-e-Callig
William Maddrell, 50, tailor
Ann, 45
William, 25, agricultural labourer
Thomas, 20, tailor
James, 15
Ann, 14
Margaret, 12
John, 10
Edward, 7
Catherine, 5
Henry, 2

The marriage of Catherine to Robert McLeod (My Gt Gt grandfather) is correct. He was from Lochinver in Sutherland and was then a Seaman Steward. (No shipping link bewtween IOM and Lochinver found so far p(erhaps someone knows of one?)

The information about Catherine being in the household of Edward Gawne in 1861 was sent to me by Brian Lawson who ran a comprehensive IOM website.

Not the easiest job having to interpret the writing/abbreviations on the entry is it?

Welcome to the boards by the way Roderick.

Prickles. :-)

This was my first request for help - bowled over by your speed of response and kindness in helping out. I have now found the image on Ancestry by searching for Esther Massell. I agree with your comments about the transcription - this is Catherine. Lessons learned - don't necessarily trust the transcriptions and I should have searched for Edward Gawne in the first place!! Thank you all again - I am most grateful.

PS: I am struggling with another Maddrell - this time a Jane. Can I ask about her here or should I ask separately in a new post?

The rules are one thread per family..........so just add it to this one.

Re Robert, the seaman steward -

for generations it has been very common for young men from the west Highland coast and islands to join the Merchant Navy.

If I've got the right Robert in censuses, he started out as a fisherman, so would have been used to the sea. [EDIT: No, not necessarily - see my edit below re 1861 census].

He may have met Catherine while still a fisherman, as he seems to have been in 1861. Fishing boats went all up and down the west coast, and Rushen, IOM,
is / was a fishing port.


1891 Scotland Census about Robert McLeod
Name: Robert McLeod
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Catherine McLeod
Gender: Male
Where born: Strathan Sutherland, Assynt
Registration Number: 685/5
Registration district: Newington
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: 37 Sciennes
Occupation: Gate Keeper (Engineers)
ED: 74
Household schedule number: 43
LINE: 17
Roll: CSSCT1891_355
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert McLeod 52
Catherine McLeod 53 - Rushen, IOM
William McLeod 16
Robert McLeod 12


1881 Scotland Census about Robert McLeod
Name: Robert McLeod
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Catherine McLeod
Gender: Male
Where born: Stratharn G, Sutherlandshire
Registration Number: 685/5
Registration district: Newington
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: 37 Sciennes
Occupation: Gatekeeper In Engineering Work
ED: 93
Household schedule number: 75
LINE: 6
Roll: cssct1881_293
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert McLeod 43
Catherine McLeod 45 - IOM
Isabella McLeod 11
Mary Ann McLeod 8
William McLeod 5
Raderick McLeod 2


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1871 Scotland Census about Robert Mcleod
Name: Robert Mcleod
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Gender: Male
Where born: Sutherlandshire
Registration district: Inverness
Civil Parish: Vessels
County: Inverness
Address: Beanly Pt Inverness
Occupation: A B Seaman
ED: Inductry
Household schedule number: 1
LINE: 4
Roll: CSSCT1871_191
(Listed with many other seamen.)


[EDIT: Oops, no, this isn't him in 1861. Your Robert's father was Roderick! But all the rest of my reply stands.]

[Deleted wrong 1861 census record, showing a different Robert McLeod, fisherman]

This is more likely him in 1851. Can't see him in 1861 - perhaps he was at sea:


1851 Scotland Census about Robert Mcleod
Name: Robert Mcleod
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Rodrick Mcleod
Mother's name: Isabell Mcleod
Gender: Male
Where born: Assynt, Sutherland
Parish Number: 44
Civil Parish: Assynt
Town: Strathan
County: Sutherland
Address: Strathan
ED: 9
Page: 3 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 11
LINE: 8
Roll: CSSCT1851_11
Household Members:
Name Age
Rodrick Mcleod 56
Isabell Mcleod 48
Robert Mcleod 13
Isabell Mcleod 11
John Mcleod 9
Ann Mcleod 4

ArgyllGran - Yes Robert was born in Strathan - parents Roderick Mcleod and Isabella McKenzie. Robert's occupation is recorded as Seaman Steward Merchant Service in 1871 on his daughter Margaret Anne McKenziee McLeod's birth register entry. I have always thought that this indicated a passenger ship rather than fishing boat - but I could be wrong!! Thanks again for you help

The Jane Maddrell (not, I believe, directly related to the above mentioned Catherine) I'm looking for was born IOM About 1814 (Sources:Family Bible and Burial records). Her daughter also a Jane (born between 1834 and 1837) married Hugh Iddon (11 Jul 1866 Braddan - Jane's father shown as Will Maddrell) and subsequently moved to Belfast with him. I believe the Isabella Jane Iddon (Born Ulverston, Lancs) mentioned in the Bible (below) was their daughter. They also had another daughter - Amy Margaret born 1871 in Barrow-in-Furness.

The Family Bible published 1856 which I believe must have belonged to Jane Maddrell/Iddon has the following inscription:- " My dear mother died Nov 17th 1868 Jane Maddrell. Isabella Jane Idden died August 5th 1868.

I have established that Jane (born Abt 1814) was interred at K K Braddan Cemetry. The Kirk Bradden burial registers, indexed and transcribed by the Isle of Man Family History Society, contain the following relevant entries: Plot 2171 - MADDRELL, Jane, age 54, of Douglas, buried 20 Nov 1868, IDDON, Isabella Jane, age 7 mos, of Douglas, buried 09 Aug 1868.

I am struggling to find a Jane (Maddrell) aged about 20 who married a Will Maddrell and had a daughter Jane Maddrell/Iddon between 1834 and 1837. (Jane Maddrell/Iddon's age in 1901 Belfast Census is recorded as 64 - therefore born Abt 1837. Jane Iddon's age on death in Belfast in 1927 recorded as 93 - therefore born 1834.)

Any help you might be able to give would be very welcome.

If Jane was married to Will, the odds are that her birth name was NOT Maddrell

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First Name JANE
Last Name MADDRELL
Relationship HEAD
Condition WIDOW
Gender Female
Age 47
Year Of Birth 1814
Occupation LAUNDRESS
Birth Town LONAN
Birth County ISLE OF MAN
Birth Place -
House Name -
Street CAMBRIAN PLACE
Parish CONCHAN
Town DOUGLAS
City -
Registration District ISLE OF MAN
County Isle of Man
Country ISLE OF MAN
Archive Reference RG09
Piece Number 4418
Folio 15
Page 24

Household Members
First Name Last Name Relationship Age Year Of Birth Birth Town
JANE MADDRELL HEAD 47 1814 LONAN Image Transcription
ELEANOR OATES VISITOR 11 1850 LONAN