General Chat

I know you're right Sylvia from my experience as a child and as a parent.

The best a teacher can do is teach to the curriculum. I wouldn't expect all children to take notice if parents have taught their child differently but some little seed may be planted in the child's head that may, just may, lead him/her to question why not everyone has the same view as his/her parents.

We learn to live with difference as children must also learn. Sadly, that difference is sometimes detrimental to the child.

Personally, I think the world would be an extremely dull place if everyone was the same. Having said that, there are some things that ought to be hammered home regularly so that a child may realise that certain things are worse than others.

Attacking women, the vulnerable etc is definitely an unacceptable point that I, personally, would constantly mention but abortion is one area which I believe we ought to leave to personal choice.

Unlike The Donald, I don't think we can win every point so I would pick my fights carefully.

Kay ......................

Have you heard the term The Redoubt as used to describe an area of the US??

Wikipedia explains it much more fully than I can on here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Redoubt


Basically it is both a movement and a name, The Redoubt now being given to an area of the northern US ............. Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, and adjoining portions of eastern Oregon, and eastern Washington. It is considered a safe haven for conservative, libertarian-leaning Christians and Jews, but the people now buying property there (according to a programme I listened to last week) believe in guns (of all types), living off the grid, freedom to do whatever they want regardless of any laws, etc.

They are buying properties in isolated forested areas where they can erect huge fences and defend themselves of the "enemies of the state" ............ defense included fierce dogs, as well as all members of the family or group being armed.

It has been said that "For a growing number of people, it's the designated point of retreat when the American economy hits the fan. When banks fail, the government declares martial law, the power grid goes down."

Many of them speak from and believe in a Traditional Catholic, Constitutional Conservative, American Patriot viewpoint.

Sales of properties plus enquiries to realtors who specialise in finding these isolated places have increased as much as 1000%


Those are the ones that are now more typically called red-necks than the ones whose description you posted.

The ones you posted are now more commonly called "poor white trash".

Red-necks are not poor!

So now everyone that voted for Trump is probably a Redneck just like all Brexiters are Racist.

The good part is we can have these talks because we are free to do so so lets be grateful for that.

Of course, I am not saying every voter was a red-neck .....

....... although it does seem that many of his earlier supporters were.


Let's not forget that Trump probably got in because large numbers of Democrats did not vote.

Hillary did win the popular vote ....... she just wasn't the candidate for too many voters.

True, this election was her's to lose......

How about a different aspect? Just like in the UK, after 2 terms with a Democrat (lIberal) President, they may have decided they needed a more Republican (conservative) one.

Obama Care caused considerable upset to large number of natural Democrates. They'd worked and paid towards health insurance and were upset that, in their eyes, those that hadn't were getting it all for free.

Whether it's true or not, its very similar to many British peoples views about 'Benefit Scroungers'.

To balance the argument:

https://spectator.org/10-reasons-why-i-will-never-vote-for-hillary-clinton/

Good article Supercrutch

Interesting but very biased and somewhat economical with the truth. The right wing press in the US are every bit as vile as they are here.

The American Spectator is a fringe organisation which publishes online only

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Spectator

It's also a climate change denier, so doesn't have much credibility.

Did you link through to the earlier article? That was about why he wouldn't vote Trump.
Taking them together, he seemed quite fair. Neither candidate were angels. It brings to mind A Rock and A Hard Place for the US electorate.

Exactly no real choice....

Perhaps we should desist just for a while at least in repeating what others have said.

Trumpism will just be a temporary blip, briefly alluded to as a post-script in the back page of USA political history books.

Exactly Det.

Fair and balanced I like :-D

Just can't wait to see Donald in a kilt when he visits us. :-D ;-) :-0

Donald where's yer trousers?


Edit: this darned machine altered my spelling .... troosers is what I typed, as in the song. :-D

JoyLouise :-D :-D :-D

It seems that some are calling for his resignation already - he hasn't warmed the seat of office yet.

Hey but he said he'd work for free so saving them a few dollars......or more likely if he takes the pay he'd have to pay income tax !!

I don't think he expected to win and he's frightened of the enormity of the task ahead. Who wouldn't be? He didn't go to any Veteran's Day ceremonies yesterday and has hardly been seen apart from on TV. One report says he doesn't want to sleep in The White House and the rumour mill is turning.

He's backtracking (thankfully) on some of his more crazy pronouncements and I think he will need time to adjust. He's handed over responsibility for forming his "cabinet" to Pence, who is far more qualified to know what to do. A very sensible decision, given his lack of experience.

He seems to be being "managed" by senior republicans, which can only be a good thing, while he comes to terms with his victory.

I expect some of his supporters are going to be very disappointed when he doesn't try to jail Hillary or build his famous wall, ban Muslims from the USA etc etc. The more reasonable republicans will be very relieved and, hopefully, will support a more moderate Trump.

He has also put 3 of his children and his son-in-law on the Transition Committee .......... as well as seeming to think that he can put his 3 children in charge of the Blind Trust that he has to set up, AND some commentators think his son-in-law is going to be named his Chief of Staff.

That could be interesting as the Chief of Staff is the chief liaison between the White House (ie President), Congress and Senate ...... so has to know his/her way around ........... and also apparently has a responsibility to tell the President when he cannot do what he wants to do.

No-one but no-one tells Trump what not to do.

Nor is a President supposed to practise nepotism by advancing his family members. :-D

It is a sure thing that D T Rump will be corralled and controlled by the Republican party machine and the meat of nearly all his ideas boiled to the bone and thrown out for the dogs. There is a better than evens chance that Rump himself will be impeached - by the Republican party. There is a near certainty that at some point Rump will say the hell with it throw away the key to 1600 PA and walk out.

Hooray say the Democrats and the liberal left. The only trouble is that a great swathe of what was once the heart of America from Lincoln, Nebraska to Dayton, Ohio really has had a terrible time while what they see as the liberal elite on east and west coast make a fortune. They have no love for the ever growing Latino population.

The sidelining of T Rump may make the world feel a bit safer and mainstream people happier BUT these problems will remain and fester. As Pence de facto takes over the anger will be more than ever as the prophesied betrayal takes place

Then what?

Here are a few movies that put skin and bones on these problems.
"Five Easy Pieces"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wtfNE4z6a8
"The Deer Hunter"
"Braddock, America"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8pTObD1qUI
"Stand By Me"

Now he is president Rump has found what half the world was trying to tell him, there are no easy answers, there never were.The hard answers which are there to be read are universally rejected by the far right. All they have to offer in the end is war.